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Title: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: benpaddlejones on March 12, 2009, 05:08:07 AM
Wiimote Friends

Be aware, a number of users are reporting underperforming Wiimotes. Likely due to fake Wiimotes, most are purchasing from Japan/Hong Kong over ebay. This will be due to demand, so dishonest manufacturers will be trying to meet this demand or someone is selling products that have failed testing.

A Wiifit on ebay is more expensive than a Wiifit in a shop here in Australia because the shops are selling them faster than they can stock them.

We suggest that you purchase your Wiimote from a authorised dealer or a dealer that will honour its return policy.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_VQc-eJXOl00/SbuLktB942I/AAAAAAAAAZ4/-SM3ycMd5WU/s400/P1010264.JPG)

benpaddljones :
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned
Post by: darrensheil on March 12, 2009, 07:40:59 PM
I suppose I am a victim of the fake wiimotes... too bad I didn't see this until after I got them. I bought them for use as an interactive whiteboard and they just won't pick up the infrared pen unless it is pointed directly at the wiimote.

I had borrowed a wiimote from a student and the pen that I made worked perfectly! So thats why I decided to get 2 for myself. I live in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia so the price and free shipping from Hong Kong was very attractive. The wiimotes on sale here were $80 or more... and no real guarantee that they are not fake as well (most things here come from china anyway).

I will check out the place on ebay and see if they have w return policy... more money to send them back. I have student checking to see how well the remotes work on his wii console... if they will even sync with the console.

I tried Glovepie with the remotes and the accelerometer seemed to work well for the wiimouse application. Just a bad IR camera!!! what I really want it for!!!

Darren
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned
Post by: broorb on March 12, 2009, 08:05:44 PM
Darren,

Is this the one that you got ?

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14237

My order is still being processed.  If you can confirm that the one that you received is the same one linked above, I might request for the order to be cancelled.

Thanks,
-glennJ
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned
Post by: benpaddlejones on March 12, 2009, 08:59:59 PM
darrensheil
The one I have looks identical, branding, markings, stickers, packaging and all. It does feel a little lighter and less robust.

I'm saying a fake but potentially more likely in my case its an insider taking manufacturing rejects and selling on the sly. It looks too close to be a fake.

The one you have is actually upfront that its not a Wii product, be interesting to see what they are like. In my view some one who is honest that they are not teh real deal is more likely to produce something worthwhile than someone imitating (they also could eb as bad as each other too!.

benpaddlejones :)
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned
Post by: broorb on March 12, 2009, 10:18:30 PM
Good point Ben!

I have read the reviews from the site of people who have purchased the Wu brand controllers, and they were pleased with the results.  If the cheap controller that they bought worked seamlessly with their original Wii consoles, I would assume that it would work well with our project.  I am risking continuing with this purchase to see if I get good tracking of the IR blobs, if so, then I would have cheaper alternative.  Current original wii controllers that are available locally(Phils.) range from 55-60 USD.   :)

-broorb
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned
Post by: benpaddlejones on March 13, 2009, 10:01:53 PM
broob
Be careful its the IR-camera (what we need the most) that is most problematic so likely the accelerometer is fine. I find BT is a little problematic.

I have a offciial Wiimote and a fake infront of me know I will post the differences and what to tell later today.

benpaddlejones :)
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: broorb on March 14, 2009, 07:06:30 PM
I will post my findings too when I get my hands on it.

Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: broorb on April 03, 2009, 12:14:45 AM
I was able to play around the Wu brand remote.  As it turned out, IR tracking is really poor.  I've been trying on different positions.  The reason why I am saying that this remote would be useless for our project is that I have mounted my original remote in a position where I could have perfect tracking.  After that, I replaced the original remote with the Wu brand in the same location/position as the original one.  I was only able calibrate a single corner of my screen.

I guess, I will just use the accelerometer in this remote for other purposes.

My advise to the others, please buy the original remote.  :)
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: tyler9613 on April 03, 2009, 09:20:47 PM
Hello,

I have a wiimote (or fakemote) that has print at that location, but it is carved in and barely visibile. My original wiimote that came with my console has the text printed on it and not engraved. Does that signal a fakemote? Becuase its performance is much worse than the one that has the printed text. And I even bought it from an authorised wii dealer...

-Tyler
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: spectre1989 on April 27, 2009, 09:00:57 AM
On my wiimote the text is carved very lightly, does this mean it is a fakemote? It did come in a wiimote+wiiplay box set that I got from amazon, so I thought it would be alright...

Jay
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: benpaddlejones on April 28, 2009, 07:01:38 PM
spectre1989
The real Wiimotes are Grey etched teh fackes are moulded in.

benpaddlejones :)
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: Clovis on April 30, 2009, 11:59:40 AM
Hi  !!!
Before starting my question, I want to thank all people that are working on that project !!

Ok so I would like to have my wiimote whiteboard. So I bought a wiimote on dealextreme (sorry if telling that is forbidden). I think it's a fake. When Smoothboard is on it detect four dots (it's written in the bottom of the soft) but in the little screen we can crearly see that the wiimote see no dot or just the one of the IR Pen (red circle) . And I think IR camera is good because the red circle appears at great distance (3m).
Presenter mods is in fonction, even if coordonate are inverted (I don't know why ). I can move the mouse, but as I didn't calibrate the wiimote it don't work.
So if the IR camera is good, is there a way, in modifying the soft to make the soft fit to these wiimote ?
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: boonjin on April 30, 2009, 06:34:20 PM
Hi  !!!
Before starting my question, I want to thank all people that are working on that project !!

Ok so I would like to have my wiimote whiteboard. So I bought a wiimote on dealextreme (sorry if telling that is forbidden). I think it's a fake. When Smoothboard is on it detect four dots (it's written in the bottom of the soft) but in the little screen we can crearly see that the wiimote see no dot or just the one of the IR Pen (red circle) . And I think IR camera is good because the red circle appears at great distance (3m).
Presenter mods is in fonction, even if coordonate are inverted (I don't know why ). I can move the mouse, but as I didn't calibrate the wiimote it don't work.
So if the IR camera is good, is there a way, in modifying the soft to make the soft fit to these wiimote ?

Hi,

Several users have reported such issue with non-genuine Wiimotes.
The issue with this is I will not be able to know when the IR LED is detected/not detected with certainty.
I am not sure whether what will happen when the IR dot is not detected. (Whether the IR dot coordinates is found at (0,0) or something else.
If it output a fixed value when the IR dot is not present, I may be able to make it work.
However, I do not own any of these Wiimotes to test out.

Maybe if you would like, you can try out the WiimoteTest program by Brian Peek to determine the raw values coming from your Wiimote. Then, you can post your results here for us to check it out.

Regards,
Boon Jin
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: Clovis on May 01, 2009, 05:24:56 AM
Thanks for answering and helping !!!
I found the website of Brian Peek, but I don't find any exe of a wiimotetest program...

EDIT: It's ok I found it in wiimotelib
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: Clovis on May 01, 2009, 06:28:00 AM
Hi,
I did the test with wiimoteTest, and it seems to worked for me...
I did for you an animation in flash .rar file:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M9EC6OSW

In fact when the soft starts there are no dots detected. and when the pen is on, it detect is coordinates with no problem (inverted). Sometimes the soft detect another dots but I just think it's occuring with reflects from the sunlight on my skin.
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: boonjin on May 01, 2009, 08:58:16 AM
Hi,
I did the test with wiimoteTest, and it seems to worked for me...
I did for you an animation in flash .rar file:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M9EC6OSW

In fact when the soft starts there are no dots detected. and when the pen is on, it detect is coordinates with no problem (inverted). Sometimes the soft detect another dots but I just think it's occuring with reflects from the sunlight on my skin.


Hi,

The rar file seems to contain a .js file
Can you please check it?

Regards,
Boon Jin
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: Clovis on May 01, 2009, 09:07:14 AM
Yes there 3 files .htm, .swf and .js

it's an animation done with "wink" a soft for doing tutorials, you just have to open the htm
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: boonjin on May 01, 2009, 09:33:09 AM
Yes there 3 files .htm, .swf and .js

it's an animation done with "wink" a soft for doing tutorials, you just have to open the htm

The whole file is only 193bytes. There is only one small .js file inside.

Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: Clovis on May 01, 2009, 11:31:09 AM
 :D

Oh sorry, I forgot the more important

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=49GPVTL5
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: spectre1989 on May 01, 2009, 07:47:41 PM
spectre1989
The real Wiimotes are Grey etched teh fackes are moulded in.

benpaddlejones :)

So the ones with grey text printed are genuine, and the ones with text actually moulded into the plastic are fake?

I have one of each, so what's a good way to test performance? Because they both seem pretty solid.

Thanks
Jay
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: boonjin on May 01, 2009, 08:14:18 PM
:D

Oh sorry, I forgot the more important

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=49GPVTL5

Hi,

Can you send to my email address at admin a t smoothboard net?

My internet connection have some issues with megaupload

Thanks.

Regards,
Boon Jin
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: Clovis on May 09, 2009, 05:31:32 PM
Did you get the files ?
Do you think that you can do something ?
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: boonjin on May 09, 2009, 06:25:53 PM
Did you get the files ?
Do you think that you can do something ?

Yeah, I got the files.

I will be working on this next week.

Thanks.

Regards,
Boon Jin
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: Clovis on May 10, 2009, 12:26:15 PM
Thank you !!!!
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: boonjin on June 04, 2009, 04:28:10 AM
Hi,

I have just made a release candidate of Smoothboard that hopefully should work on some of the non-genuine Wiimotes.

Here is the link:
http://www.smoothboard.net/files/download/Smoothboard_1_1.exe

Thank you.

Regards,
Boon Jin
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: Clovis on June 04, 2009, 09:55:03 AM
So it's working !!!!
Today, I tried it with my screen and without IR pen (a remote). It's working with that !!
there is no more dots detected all the time and the calibration can be done.
Tomorrow I'll be in my classroom, I'll test it with IR pen and projector.
thank you very much !
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: boonjin on June 04, 2009, 10:24:03 AM
So it's working !!!!
Today, I tried it with my screen and without IR pen (a remote). It's working with that !!
there is no more dots detected all the time and the calibration can be done.
Tomorrow I'll be in my classroom, I'll test it with IR pen and projector.
thank you very much !

That is great!

Regards,
Boon Jin
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: Misha on June 30, 2009, 04:37:24 AM
benpaddlejones,

Since the images in the first posts are somewhat blurry, I will have to ask. I hope you won't mind. :) I do have two Wii Remotes. One of them came in the pack with the Wii Console and the second was bought as a stand alone product. Their etiquettes do differ but I still cannot be sure if some of them is fake, so I will place them here, and hope somebody can judge them. You can use these images in your first post.

*edit*
Actually, after reading this topic (http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/939583), I can conclude that both of them are (supposed to be) genuine. Just, the first one (that came with the Wii Console) is a Korean and the second one (bought as stand alone) is a Taiwan model.

BUT, I have to notice that the accelerometer behaves a bit strange in a Korean (the one that came with the Wii Console) model, and I had to program a special module that calibrates it. The problem is that it does not sense G-zeros with an equal value by any of three axes.

The one that came with the Wii Console (supposedly a Korean model):
(http://cpptea.com/uploads/wiiconsolewiiremote.png)

The one that was bought separately (supposedly a Taiwan model):
(http://cpptea.com/uploads/standalonewiiremote.png)
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: benpaddlejones on June 30, 2009, 06:23:53 AM
Misha
They both look real, its the casting that is the best tell tail sign. The official Wiimotes are well cast and clean finsih the Wumotes have casting edges on them and are not that well finished.

If behaving funny just return to the store you purchased it from.

benpaddlejones :)
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: hassel1 on February 03, 2010, 04:14:30 AM
I have experienced the fake Wiimotes and that was the horrible experience for me. I am still astonished at this time.
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: xeoncat on February 13, 2010, 09:02:05 AM
So, bottom line, do the Wumotes work or not? Was it really a question of software?
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: boonjin on February 13, 2010, 10:33:00 AM
So, bottom line, do the Wumotes work or not? Was it really a question of software?

Hi,

The fake Wiimotes may work but the quality control may be bad and thus there will be little reliability with these devices.

Examples of problems that may occur is inconsistent connectivity to the computer and very bad tracking sensitivity.

Although with low tracking sensitivity, you are able to use the fake Wiimote in Presenter Mode or in an actual Wii console, for the Wiimote Whiteboard, it may not be suitable. This is because the Wii Remote may be placed at a significant distance away from the screen and in addition to the fact that the IR emitted from the pen is reflected off the screen. This will cause a significant drop in intensity of the detected IR source. If the Wiimote does not have a sensitive camera, you may inconsistent tracking.

Regards,
Boon Jin

Regards,
Boon Jin
Title: Re: Fake Wimotes - be warned (Just added picture to identify fake)
Post by: RonnieJi on March 06, 2010, 04:15:48 AM
I've got some pictures here...
Would post more later...