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Offline benpaddlejones

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Reply #15 on: February 19, 2009, 04:54:13 AM
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This has been explored along with the click hold for 5 seconds at set location. This has two key issues:

1. Inaccuracy of detection. i.e calibration and other factors may mean the location may not be consistent, thus three clicks as three seperate locations versus the required 3 clicks at a single location
2. Delay, if you actually test (give a number of attempts to acheive profeciency) it is quicker to go to they system tray, click, then go to your required location and click for a right click.

ujs's 5 second hold is really cool and works nice but in my experince of teaching under pressure verus playing in an artifical environment the system tray works the best. I move my IR-pen get a visual confirmation that the next click will be  aright click then perform the required action. As a fairly animated teacher I found it difficult to hold the IR-Pen still (while talking/presenting) to get the right click.

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Reply #16 on: February 19, 2009, 10:20:34 AM
Hi Ben,

1. Inaccuracy of detection. i.e calibration and other factors may mean the location may not be consistent, thus three clicks as three seperate locations versus the required 3 clicks at a single location

2. Delay, if you actually test (give a number of attempts to acheive profeciency) it is quicker to go to they system tray, click, then go to your required location and click for a right click.
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If we make a pen with a special right click button, when the button is clicked it gives the LED a triple flash that happens, say, within 0.3 second, isn't that gonna work? the location won't change in 0.3 second and there will be no delay, I think this can work, just need Boon Jin's support in the software. If you agree with me I'm gonna explore into this.



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Reply #17 on: February 19, 2009, 03:23:34 PM
dsgclan, I completely agree that the logic sounds good. I think it would work supremely well in a very controlled environment where the whiteboard and camera are located in a specific place. But this is not that case with the wiimote whiteboard. People have vastly different setups even just depending on which room they're in. Consider what would happen if the button were pressed at an angle and only two flashes were recognized by the wiimote. That's a double click. That becomes a very frustrating problem when you don't realize what happened.

Don't get me wrong, the idea has potential. I think you should explore it with or without bens permission and learn for yourself what does and doesn't work. What Ben's doing is bringing up issues that have already been discussed at some length to help you out. If you want to talk to boonjin about it, then talk to boonjin about it. See what he says. Just remember that programming is not easy and demanding someone to put something in a program is just as ridiculous as me trying to code smoothboard myself... except you end up ticking other people off.


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Reply #18 on: February 19, 2009, 04:17:34 PM
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I think its worth trying, use Johnny's demo code seee if you can get it as stable as other RC options.

I suggest you also talk to Tino, I know he has done some work in this field he maybe able to give you some support and guideance.

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Reply #19 on: February 20, 2009, 07:43:18 AM
A sketch i did for fun on artrage.  :)
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff130/petranf/pen.jpg

I may make this, cause i want to get rid the annoying wires that we all dislike.
I strongly encourage everybody that want a cintiq alternative (without having pressure sensitivity) to build this pen. I only have to say this: I have almost replaced the mouse.


Peter
« Last Edit: February 20, 2009, 07:46:40 AM by petranf »



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Reply #20 on: February 20, 2009, 01:36:10 PM
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I suggest you use a BT mouse so you get a decent range. I bought a mini BT USB mouse on ebay for $30AUS with postage.

Just need to work out pressure tip & wait for mouse to arrive.

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Reply #21 on: February 21, 2009, 01:49:55 AM
Thanks for the tip benpaddlejones.
Can you pm me where from you ordered your mouse ?



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Reply #22 on: February 21, 2009, 03:00:30 AM
hi Ben, Wiweeyum, yes I will explore into this and make a triple click pen first anyway, I will keep you posted of my finding, thanks.



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Reply #23 on: February 21, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
petranf
Search ebay for "mini bluetooth mouse"

Mine will be like this one: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mini-1000-DPI-Bluetooth-Wireless-Optical-Mouse-BM-053_W0QQitemZ250376344693QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Input_Peripherals?hash=item250376344693&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

The seller said had a screw on the bottom to pull apart. (some of the other models are glued together). As soon as I get it I'll pull it apart and let you know how easy it looks.

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Reply #24 on: February 14, 2010, 03:33:03 AM
hi guys,
im not an engeneer, but i thought about solving this, like using different remotes for different tvīs. so if one can be able to modulate the ir signal output in. eg.  first signal- left-klick and second signal, right click there is no use for connecting a mouse between. i dont know if this is possible.
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Reply #25 on: February 14, 2010, 08:00:02 AM
Hi,

The Wiimote has only a refresh rate of about 100hz which means we have to sacrifice the latency if the signal is modulated. The tv remotes have modulated frequencies of exceeding 1000hz and may be even much higher.

I have tried myself using a simple modulated signal to differentiate the left and right click. It does work however may not be reliable if low latency is required. It would be easier to just use a wireless mouse.

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Reply #26 on: February 14, 2010, 03:39:51 PM
I thought that this problem was already solved. Can't you just use smoothboard in "whiteboard and presenter" mode, keep a second wii remote in your off hand and use it to do right clicks. Another posibilitity is maybe a "constellation" of IR LEDS. One LED goes on for left clicks but the whole constellation, up to 3 more LEDS, goes on for a right click.  These could be placed in a configuration that could be recognized when viewed from any angle, like the feduciary markers in augmented reality.  Would this work?

Ir might be a little ugly though. I would love to be able to use tiney surface mount LEDs instead of the TSAL 6400.

What do you think guys? A simple way to right click would be SO cool.

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Reply #27 on: March 01, 2010, 02:36:25 PM
Ummm, And why dont just use 2 ir pens, 1 ir pen for left click , and if is needed use the other pen(preassure sensitive) in the other hand and "click it in" and the software should translate the appearance of this other IR source as a right click?