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Reply #15 on: February 27, 2009, 04:42:25 PM
Hi all,
I believe Promethean is releasing a multitouch system with their product early this year as advised by their promoters at a conference I attended in October last year. They said up to 4 pens will be able to be used simultaneously. How are they doing it??? Could be worthwhile looking into. I wonder if it will only work when hooked up to a promethean whiteboard and if other windows applications will be able to use this feature eg linktivity presenter, anotate pro, jarnal etc. Maybe it will be specifically for use with Promethean software only?? Can someone find out.
Cheers
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Reply #16 on: February 27, 2009, 05:33:07 PM
jdkestewart
It requires a firmware upgrade for their hardware and it (like all Promethean features) are bound to the harwdare/software combination. If you just use the soaftware (Activstudio) then no love!

Don't worry, I have tried.

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Reply #17 on: February 27, 2009, 10:14:50 PM
Interwrite is also offering this in the latest version of their software, but I believe it is also only for those using Interwrites equipment. 



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Reply #18 on: February 28, 2009, 04:01:15 AM
Hi,
This all sounds really positive. It (multi-touch) obviously can be achieved. If promethean and interwrite have this capability, then it's only a matter of time before the clever programers out there can get the wiimote working too. It has 4 built in Ir cameras. Can each be dedicated to a different pen? Maybe 2 wiimotes may be needed but whatever it takes, I hope you can get it going. To those with the gift of programming - may the wiimote force be with you.
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Reply #19 on: February 28, 2009, 05:52:09 AM
This all sounds really positive. It (multi-touch) obviously can be achieved. If promethean and interwrite have this capability, then it's only a matter of time before the clever programers out there can get the wiimote working too.

My software already outputs multitouch data (for up to 4 IR pens) in the commonly-used TUIO/OSC format. Someone "just" needs to write Whiteboard software that makes use of it...

It has 4 built in Ir cameras. Can each be dedicated to a different pen? Maybe 2 wiimotes may be needed but whatever it takes, I hope you can get it going.

I'm sorry to say, but you don't understand how this works.

Read these threads/posts:

http://www.wiimoteproject.com/wiimote-whiteboard/math-behind-projection-rectification/
http://www.wiimoteproject.com/wiimote-whiteboard/calibration/msg1668/#msg1668


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Reply #20 on: February 28, 2009, 04:12:30 PM
ujs/jdkstewart
As ujs said the issue is not the Wiimote hardware or the software. The Wiimote can track 4x IR-sources (2x Wiimotes = 8 IR-sources). The issue is the existance of software, even the Promethean solution is not very pretty, users allocated screen space. So its not really multitouch, more segmented screens. I haven't seen the interwrite. What would be really good if multitouch could be embeded in kindlelab. It's opensource and a reasonable IWB expereince (perfect for multitouch) but it needs a good programmer to add-in multitouch.

Myself and Boonjin have spooken at length about the posibilities but their is not point installing telephone cable for a telephone system that doesn't exist yet (boonjin's analogy). Mac has a few application in TUIO/OSC format hence why ujs has included in Java Whiteboard.

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Reply #21 on: February 28, 2009, 04:22:38 PM
The Wiimote can track 4x IR-sources (2x Wiimotes = 8 IR-sources).

Well, it's not that simple. Each Wiimote will track the 4 brightest IR sources. So using 8 equally bright IR lights won't work as you might expect.

Mac has a few application in TUIO/OSC format hence why ujs has included in Java Whiteboard.

Most multitouch apps that I'm aware of are Flash and hence cross-platform. More details: http://www.uweschmidt.org/comment/596


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Reply #22 on: February 28, 2009, 05:09:16 PM
Hi Ujs and Ben and to everyone else who's reading,
Firstly, Ujs, you don't have to be sorry for my ignorance in understanding how it works. haha. I was just venting ideas. I'm a full time teacher in a primary school and have what I consider to be the ultimate permanent setup with the option to be fully portable in seconds. I don't have the time to try and learn and understand what it takes to be a programmer, but those with the gift, PLEASE please please develop a true multitouch system so that I can annotate, draw etc directly onto programs such as paint, jarnal, kindlelab the internet etc so that 3 or more students can all write simultaneously.  Brainstorming lessons, filling in scanned maths and literacy sheets as pdf files, racing each other to complete algorithms / educational games etc would be sooooooo cool!  I have built a lot of different style pens for the kids and now have to set up the whole school with this system.
I won't pretend to try and understand the intricate details and the complex formulas to programming the wiimote and how it works. I'm purely interested in the pedagogy behind Interactive Whiteboards and how to best maximise and enhance student learning. I have been invited by several schools and the Diocese in which I work to demonstrate to staff of to make the best use of IWB technology.  The children absolutely love the versatility of this system. What I  care most about is that it works, works well and I want to help others get it working.
I don't really understand Boonjin's analogy. I'm more thinking, "If you build it, they will come."
Maybe it's time that Microsoft develops a totally new computer platform that incorporates the use of multiple mice simultaneously in all applications. This would solve the issues. (Just venting ideas again Ujs because I don't have a clue as to what's involved in programming a completely new system)
Please keep working to push the limits.
P.S Can someone tell me how to post pictures here. I want to show some cool ideas with my set up but when I click on the "Insert image" icon above all I get is this ....
Regards,
Joe.



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Reply #23 on: February 28, 2009, 05:31:50 PM
Hi Ujs and Ben and to everyone else who's reading,
Firstly, Ujs, you don't have to be sorry for my ignorance in understanding how it works. haha. I was just venting ideas. I'm a full time teacher in a primary school and have what I consider to be the ultimate permanent setup with the option to be fully portable in seconds. I don't have the time to try and learn and understand what it takes to be a programmer, but those with the gift, PLEASE please please develop a true multitouch system so that I can annotate, draw etc directly onto programs such as paint, jarnal, kindlelab the internet etc so that 3 or more students can all write simultaneously.  Brainstorming lessons, filling in scanned maths and literacy sheets as pdf files, racing each other to complete algorithms / educational games etc would be sooooooo cool!  I have built a lot of different style pens for the kids and now have to set up the whole school with this system.
I won't pretend to try and understand the intricate details and the complex formulas to programming the wiimote and how it works. I'm purely interested in the pedagogy behind Interactive Whiteboards and how to best maximise and enhance student learning. I have been invited by several schools and the Diocese in which I work to demonstrate to staff of to make the best use of IWB technology.  The children absolutely love the versatility of this system. What I  care most about is that it works, works well and I want to help others get it working.
I don't really understand Boonjin's analogy. I'm more thinking, "If you build it, they will come."
Maybe it's time that Microsoft develops a totally new computer platform that incorporates the use of multiple mice simultaneously in all applications. This would solve the issues. (Just venting ideas again Ujs because I don't have a clue as to what's involved in programming a completely new system)
Please keep working to push the limits.
P.S Can someone tell me how to post pictures here. I want to show some cool ideas with my set up but when I click on the "Insert image" icon above all I get is this ....
Regards,
Joe.

Hi Joe,

Yeah, it is hugely dependent on how Windows 7 will help in the development of multitouch software.
 "If you build it, they will come." - The multitouch platform based on TUOI has been in existence but I have still not seen any true multi touch application that will be used as a killer app.

Nonetheless, I am developing other work that will achieve much better results for multi touch compared to Johnny Lee's Wiimote Whiteboard.

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Reply #24 on: February 28, 2009, 05:53:53 PM
Firstly, Ujs, you don't have to be sorry for my ignorance in understanding how it works. haha. I was just venting ideas. ... I don't have the time to try and learn and understand what it takes to be a programmer...
I won't pretend to try and understand the intricate details and the complex formulas to programming the wiimote and how it works. I'm purely interested in the pedagogy behind Interactive Whiteboards and how to best maximise and enhance student learning.
I didn't know that. I just wanted to let you know that it doesn't work as you think.

Maybe it's time that Microsoft develops a totally new computer platform that incorporates the use of multiple mice simultaneously in all applications. This would solve the issues. (Just venting ideas again Ujs because I don't have a clue as to what's involved in programming a completely new system)
Check this out: http://www.microsoft.com/unlimitedpotential/programs/multipoint.mspx

Nonetheless, I am developing other work that will achieve much better results for multi touch compared to Johnny Lee's Wiimote Whiteboard.
Any details on that?


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Reply #25 on: February 28, 2009, 06:44:22 PM
Hi again, Uwe,
As the saying goes, "Knowledge is power!" In my pursuits I will endeavour to find out more. Thanks.
Regards,
Joe.

P.S How do you insert images.... anyone? All I get is this img][/img] when I click on Insert images icon.



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Reply #26 on: February 28, 2009, 07:44:00 PM
Hi Uwe,
Thanks so much for the link you posted below. This IS truly awesome. I tried to install the multipoint sdk but it won't install on windows xp unless it's running service pack 2. (I'm running service pack 3.) Will work on Vista. Obviously the technology and research into the pedagogy behind multipoint has all been done. It's just a matter of time before we see a full scale release.  I can't wait.

Quote from: jdkestewart on Today at 06:09:16 PM
Maybe it's time that Microsoft develops a totally new computer platform that incorporates the use of multiple mice simultaneously in all applications. This would solve the issues. (Just venting ideas again Ujs because I don't have a clue as to what's involved in programming a completely new system)

Check this out: http://www.microsoft.com/unlimitedpotential/programs/multipoint.mspx


Cheers,
Joe







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Reply #27 on: February 28, 2009, 11:42:28 PM
Interwrites software is similar, you can split the screen for multiple users (up to 9 devices).  I'm actually picking up the new Mobi pad and they said they would let me try out some of the student pads (when they are available), so I will be able to test out how it works.  Even if it isn't a true multitouch it should still be fun to work with in the classroom.



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Reply #28 on: February 28, 2009, 11:58:31 PM
Promethean IWB also have an activote system where each child has a pod which can input multiple choice answers. Each child / pod is assigned so that the teacher can distinguish who has answered and who hasn't but also who got it right. There are several formats to display results on the whiteboard. It Does cost about $3000 for a class set though. This isn't multitouch but it is multiuser and the kids love it. Is anyone going to explore if this can be replicated more cheaply? I just love the concept of being able to actively engage more than one student at a time and therefore get the most out of this technology at an affordible price.

Cheers,
Joe.



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Reply #29 on: March 01, 2009, 08:51:33 AM
Speaking of the activote system, an interesting addition to the mobi is a small screen that sends the clicker input right to the mobi, so students aren't able to see the results, but the teacher get instant results as to who has answered and who answered correctly.  I will not have the clickers in my classroom so I won't be able to test this out.  Not sure what the cost of a full set of eInstruction clickers run, but it would probably be a similar price for clickers and a multi-pad system or clickers and an interactive whiteboard.  Sorry, off topic.